by Chris Griffith
POLICE SECRET OPERATION TOBY Discussions between VASTA, COCO concerning MACKENROTH Numbers are transcript page numbers: eg. 21:24 refers to page 14 on Transcript of Working Tape 21. 13 November 1989: 21:14 - COCO and VASTA talking. COCO looking for MACKENROTH's telephone number. COCO said "... Have you got MACKENROTH's number." VASTA said "...in the phone book ..." 21:17 - COCO still looking for MACKENROTH's telephone number. VASTA said "Someone took all my cash out of here ... for use it for himself and the others." COCO said "That's it then." VASTA said "That is good insurance in case they get in." 21:30 - COCO and VASTA still talking. COCO phones Mrs KEOGH (sic), believed to be Mr MACKENROTH's private electoral secretary. 21:31 - COCO said "Is Terry around." "... how long before I ring can I, cause I'd like to talk to him" 21:32 - COCO rang off. VASTA said "Where's Terry." COCO said "He's got somebody with him." VASTA said "Is he going to ring you back." COCO said "No I said I'd ring him." VASTA said "When." COCO said "half an hour." Talk about Tes (sic) going off on the campaign trail tomorrow. No indication of the later telephone call to MACKENROTH. 14 November 1989: 27:25 - VASTA and COCO talking. VASTA said "... Did you ring MACKENROTH." COCO said "No he phoned me last night, I wasn't home." VASTA said "If you were gonna ring him in half an hour and you forgot." COCO said "No he just hasn't got round to it. I, I was supposed to ring him." VASTA said "He was supposed to ring me back." COCO said "Yeh." VASTA said "... He must be there." COCO said "Where is it." VASTA said "398 ... something 7777." COCO said "398 4777." 27:27 - COCO and VASTA still talking. COCO telephones Mrs KEOGH. COCO said "Mrs KEOGH good afternoon, Santo. Guess what I forgot to phone back yesterday afternoon, and then Terry phoned and I wasn't home." 27:28 "Terry, hi mate how are you, right." "Listen, sorry I missed you yesterday, then you phoned and I wasn't home. I didn't get home till all hours." "Yes, what do you mean FITZGERALD Implementation Unit." "You tell him that we were after Mr FITZGERALD and nicer things couldn't happen to him." 27:29 "Listen, Terry, I've got a letter for WALSHY, from WALSHY, for Brian WALSH. Now I don't like Brian WALSH, for you I'd do anything, I'll walk this earth with no shoes alright if you want me to. I'll do anything for you, alright." "How much do you need. No, you tell me." "Listen, oh come on Terry, we've known one another too long for that. Listen, I don't want you to do that, just you know, just put some numbers I don't give a stuff, I won't give ... I come in there, I come there, you are I are just gonna have half a cup of coffee while I annoy ya and I leave." 27:30 "I don't want anything there. It'll be in cash, it's for you and away we go." "We'll that's your problem. I, it's got nothing to do with me alright. That's your problem. It's got nothing to do with me alright. That's your problem okay." "Alright, how much do you need." "Oh come on Terry, why have you gotta be like that, why have you gotta be like that with me." "Well. I don't care what what you do with anybody. You're talking to me now, great, I told you I'd do anything for you. I mean that. Right." "Leave it to me okay." "Okay when are you there." "Oh the bastards have gone" "What happened, the boy, the, they've locked the safe up. He's gone, won't be before tomorrow morning." 27:31 "No, I'll see you tomorrow afternoon." "I'll see you tomorrow between two and five okay." "You, you, you can be that with anybody else. We've known each other too long for that alright." 27:32 "I can understand what you're trying to say, but with me you shouldn't have those hangups." "But that's stupid. If you need now something and you're short on your campaign and if I can bridge that gap for you, that's silly." "I'm. I'm asking you, I asking nobody else." "That's your problem, I told you I 27:33 don't give a shit right. What I do is between you and me. What you do with it has got nothing to do with me, none of my business. That's why I said I don't even want to go to WALSHY." "Now I, I, at least want some dignity in life. If I don't like the man, I don't want to deal with him. "We'll see you between, I'll see you between two and five." COCO then rang off. 27:34 - VASTA and COCO talking immediately after telephone call. COCO said "He won't." VASTA said "But when you said ..." COCO said "Oh he can't do that, I said well that's your problem, that's not my problem mate, said that's how ..." VASTA said "... You've gotta find out things." 28:01 - VASTA and COCO talking. VASTA said "Tomorrow what I might do if you go and see him I'll give you ... copy of a letter I am going to send to GOSS asking for a review ..." COCO said "Can you put a ... on Goss to use er his bloody er brain instead of his solicitor mentality and not to be overawed by by by the click ..." 28:03 VASTA talking about Terry knowing how much conveyancing costs are, and a woman being charged in Mareeba. 15 November 1989: 32:33 - VASTA and COCO talking. COCO said "... what you've gotta do is give me your thing, because I'll go and see MACKENROTH this afternoon and then I've gotta go down the coast. I you can give me what you, what I've gotta hand to MACKENROTH." VASTA said "I can give you a copy of the letter I'm gonna send to GOSS you know." "What time do you have to leave by." COCO said "He's there between two and five. I'll leave here after two o'clock." 33:05 - VASTA and COCO talking VASTA said "... if anything comes out of this I want a bloody review. If in fact it becomes widespread ... after the election we can shout it from the rooftops ... I won't respond you know, you get a bit of feedback from Terry but it's ready to go, I've got one ..." "... but that says something you know with the time." COCO said "Do the timing now, don't worry about, just get it out now ...: VASTA said "... it won't be ... just in case there might be something ... Terry you know, just to do a bit of expenditure." COCO said "You want me to ask him if the timing's right now." VASTA said "No, I'm just saying I want you to bloodywell push him and the party mate." "To get them to bloody commit themsleves." "Because afterwards we'll ... around the regions." 16 November 1989: 35:17 - VASTA and COCO talking. VASTA said "Anyhow, how'd you go with Terry." COCO said "Terry thought I was trying to buy him. He's never seen five thousand fucking dollars in cash in his whole life and ah" VASTA said "What he didn't ..." COCO said "Yeah he was. He said I'll write you a receipt. I don't want a receipt. Oh I'll write you a receipt. I said ... Bastard, if he doesn't write a receipt nobody knows where it comes from. By documenting it, it's documented." VASTA said "But did he write the receipt." COCO said "NO well I don't know ..." VASTA said "Yeah I'll bet you temptation'll get the better of him though. I bet you he won't write a receipt." COCO said "Well I hope not. I don't want a receipt ...: VASTA said "Well what's the point in giving him cash in that case, you might as well have put it on the ah company cheque to account for that. You know it goes an open book an as a donation."